Who hides a wireless network? That practice does nothing for security. Use VERY strong passwords for the router password and encryption and that is all you need, providing you use nothing less than WPA.
I’ve seen people who do this:
1. they have a hidden wireless network so that most people won’t be able to see it on their devices. if they don’t know it is there, they will not connect to it.
2. they have also strong encryption so that people trying to hack the network have a harder time at doing that.
If you think about it can make sense to have a hidden wireless.
Uhm, actually its a widely used practice to deter basic hacking… you need a scanner to find it…. its just an additional layer. Also, complex passwords are still easily cracked with Kali Linux… better to use MAC address filtering…. you should do some reading dude…
keys
14 years ago
I hide my wireless network using this method and also have a strong password for the exact reason listed above. My question is why wouldn’t you want hide it?
most hackers like you hide their details while you abuse others
Anonymous
14 years ago
This method is only required for Windows XP. In Vista and Windows 7, hidden wireless networks show up in the list irrespective of whether the SSID is hidden or not. Just click Connect and then enter the SSID and encryption key and you can connect right away. Once connected, you only go to Properties and modify the settings.
I’m sorry but this is not true. The networks do not show up in the list if their SSID is not broadcasted.
I’ve tried this with two hidden networks: one at work and one at home and they never show up.
Oh I beg to differ, in windows 7 I have 2 different wireless connections that show up as OTHER networks and if I had the ssid and password I could connect to them and could with little effort if I wanted to.
My point is that YES they do show up even if hidden from public!
NO, you’re confused: SSID does not show; what you give is an example of connecting to a hidden network, but the network does not show in the list of available connections. The problem (mine anyway) on Win7 is that I cannot have the manually set wifi profile for the hidden network to show up in that list either.
Anonymous
14 years ago
Hide wireless key permanently…
I have a need to setup machines so that the user can’t unhide the wireless key after I’ve entered it. How do I do this? I know it’s possible in previous versions of Windows but can’t find any info on how to do this in Win7.
Did you look through the group policy editor? That’d be worth a look if you haven’t yet.
John WIlls
14 years ago
Why would you not want to hide the SSID? Hiding the network , repeat, does nothing for security and can cause connectivity issues. If you put a strong password on the device and encryption, and I mean nothing less than 14 characters, and use nothing less than WPA, you are 99.999999999% safe.
I think this is a matter of personal choice. If you hide your SSID you will get rid of all the “noobs” who believe themselves to be hackers. If they don’t see your network they won’t try to hack it.
However, true hackers will find ways to identify your wireless network even if you hide it. If you are a “control-freak” you will hide your SSID and use strong encryption and passwords.
yeah you are rigth but speciali when you have it at home and every budy eles knows that you have wifi you could be at risk of a thef cause means that you have some kind of laptop or mobile divice
Dale
14 years ago
It may actually be LESS secure to hide your SSID. The reason is that when your SSID is hidden, your laptop will actually send out a query to see if that network is available when it is booted up. If you were to take that laptop to a public place, it would send this query out to anyone willing to listen. It would take little for someone to then spoof your SSID and let your laptop connect to theirs. You would then be allowing direct access into your laptop and you might not even notice.
So lets take a paranoid senario. Lets say someone is sitting in a car outside my house trying to get on my network and I have the SSID hidden. All they have to do is wait until I log on and then they can attempt to get onto my network? And the only real security on networks is having strong passphrases?
Correct, your only defense would be to use encrypted networks, something a-la Blackberry phones ideas. Then you just broadcast BS, as far as the eavesdropper hears, but that BS bends 3x over backwards and re-becames data using SSH keys. But governments work hard to put an end to this crazy ideea that privacy is a human right.
Which brings back my experience and the implementation FLAWS in the wifi apps on Win7 and the most recent Ubuntu. If (and I am) you are a control freak, you should NOT check “connect automatically”. In former ubuntu linux, I could set a wifi profile, with the SSID and strong password, which would be authenticated by my personal SSH keys, on my laptop, and be able to connect/disconnect manually just clicking a button when I selected that profile. THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE ! Lately, (ubuntu 11.04, Win7) they dumbed this down for “your convenience”.
tu
14 years ago
i have a problem,
i can’t connect to my wireless network even it showed my SSID,
i typed the correct password but it says incorrect….
although my other computer still can connect to it with that password …
PLS help me
Change the channel that your wireless is broadcasting on. – not sure if first reply went through so doing it again.
Anonymous
14 years ago
It used to — *used to* — seem obvious that hiding the connection SSID would essentially put the router and available SSID into ‘stealth’ mode, so that only those with the hidden SSID and security code would even know about it, let alone be able to connect to it.
The router manufacturers all pushed this idea as an additional level of security, by making the SSID hidden and secret for the users.
Microsoft all along contested the practice as a very bad idea for security. Why? Because that one hidden SSID, which could be serving hundreds of different users, did nothing for the hundreds of users who themselves are broadcasting their handshake signals TO the router to connect to the hidden SSID. Would you rather protect one known, seen, source like the router SSID? Or would you rather leave unprotected ALL the unseen users sending out “seeking to connect” signals to the seen (and secured) broadcast SSID?
Microsoft felt it was safer to secure one SEEN broadcast SSID than to risk the exposure of all potential users trying to connect to a hidden SSID when the users are sending out “seeking to connect” signals that are as easily trapped and invaded. Even when the router SSID is hidden, the laptops are still sending “seeking to connect” signals everwhere around it, whether hidden or not, when they are seeking networks. The router’s SSID may be hidden, but it isn’t any more hidden than your laptop’s SSID is in seeking out networks.
In addition: If someone were trying to get into a system, would you rather someone try to secretly connect to a secured SSID access point? Or directly to your laptop while it’s broadcasting its availability to everyone around you?
Interesting, however you said regardless of the SSID status the laptop is still sending out a trying to connect signal. So I really don’t understand why making the SSID seen protects the clients handshake.
“Even when the router SSID is hidden, the laptops are still sending “seeking to connect” signals everwhere around it, whether hidden or not, when they are seeking networks. The router’s SSID may be hidden, but it isn’t any more hidden than your laptop’s SSID is in seeking out networks.”
I understand this as my pc is sending out a seeking to connect signal whether SSID is hidden or not.
Also making a router visible and secured still does not convince me that an attacker can’t spoof the SSID and trick my pc into connecting to the spoofed router.
I suppose I’m questioning the rationale that Making a Router Visible somehow hides the nodes connecting to it, if as you say the handshake is broadcast regardless. It sounds as though the nodes connecting to it have the same vulnerability, and whats more the target SSID is readily available to the attacker for spoofing.
In order for a client to detect a hidden SSID network, it must broadcast the SSID as a query, everywhere it attempts a network connect, including all public locations the client is used.
If the SSID is not hidden, the client passively listens for the SSID, and in a public location doesn’t hear it, and never starts the handshake.
So, hide your SSID at your location where clients are constantly broadcasting it versus hide your SSID at every public location your clients are used – which do you prefer?
I do not see the problem here: if I am able to set up my laptop to connect only to my router (‘s MAC address) in the wifi profile I use, winblows can braodcast all it wants, as long as the hacker doesn’t forge that MAC address and impersonates my router. Bigger problem is MS and other companies limiting options and playing GOD: “we know what’s best for you, just stop thinking !”
Anonymous
14 years ago
I have just bought a Acer 3810TZ (running Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit) which has a peculiar problem when the SSID is hidden it cannot connect to my network but when the SSID is NOT hidden it connects peacefully. I use WPA2 Personal+AES. This has worked well for the last 2.5 yrs with my HP laptop (running Vista Home Basic). I use a Linksys WRT54G router. Acer India is trying to fob off use of WPA & TKIP instead of what I want to use. Any advice?
I also have an ACER AS5820T TimelineX and it is exhibiting the same issue. If I unhide the SSID it works fine. Hidden it can’t find it.
John Wills
14 years ago
First thing I would check is to make sure that Windows is handling the connection and not some third party utility and then check the driver status.
Anonymous
13 years ago
This was very helpful. I had trouble as my customer has a setup with unlisted wifi connection. I was able to connect in Vista but did not realize this option in Windows 7. Appreciate you giving such detailed information on this subject.
Anonymous
13 years ago
I hide my network too, the only reason is : for the neighbours.
A hidden network is hidden when no clients connected.
A hidden network becomes visible for monitoring as soon a client connects.
Client-AP traffic always makes networks visible to hackers.
Marcia Odom
13 years ago
These instructions were clear and I followed them completely.
There is one instruction that is not here. After much frustration and repeated attempts I still had no connection. After shutting down the computer and restarting it later – everything was fine and working properly. Is this normal? Shouldn’t the instructions state that a reboot of the computer is necessary for the changes to be effective?
A reboot is not normally required. I’m glad it helped in your case though.
Techie Girl
13 years ago
For all those who are still using this walkthrough, please keep in mind that much of the information is dated, such as WPA2 being for enterprise only. Many wireless home networks now fully support WPA-2 AES and should use it as it provides stronger encryption.
Having Your SSID hidden is a great tool because, despite what other people on this page have said, the network SSID will not be shown to anyone who has not manually entered your SSID into their system. Your router/modem software should allow you to manually change the name of your SSID so that no one can randomly guess at it using standard default names. Once hidden, your unique SSID will serve as an additional password to the system because, as I said before, without the SSID no one can configure your network on their computer.
No network is guaranteed secure, but hidden SSID with strong WPA2 password is a great way to go. Get familiar with your router/modem software by visiting the address (if your don’t know where to go, contact your provider or the manufacturer of your router- they can direct you to your modem/router’s web site).
Please dismiss any comments about hidden SSID doing no good- they will show up in the list of Windows 7 users as “Other Network” or look like a blank space, but will still require the user enter the SSID before proceeding.
I am replying in support of the following:
“Please dismiss any comments about hidden SSID doing no good- they will show up in the list of Windows 7 users as “Other Network” or look like a blank space, but will still require the user enter the SSID before proceeding.”
You’re absolutely right. I recently had to laugh at someone on a forum suggesting that the reason you should leave broadcasting on is because Linux networking daemons have a problem with non broadcasting SSIDs. I don’t use Linux, so I am not making it easier for anyone to hack me. The people suggesting you broadcast are Linux foamies I think. I have no problems using a hidden SSID wireless network on Widnows 7 myself. It’s not hard at all. Windows 7 does a great job fixing the connection whenever that is needed, which is rarely.
Thanks Angie! I do think it is sad that people argue against hidden ssid due to a stupid setting (auto connect) that can be disabled and prevent unwanted polling for your router when you are not near it. People also need to keep in mind that encryption disguises other credentials needed to actually hack the network so using encryption with hidden ssid cannot actually be worse than showing your ssid with encryption methods displayed plainly to everyone in the neighborhood! It is funny that Microsoft has a problem with it because it is their “convenient” auto connect setting that is killin the whole security idea and keeping those wireless devices doing useless and unsecured work. Nothing against Microsoft, everyone has to make money somehow, right? My money comes from people like the above protestor who are obviously a little behind on the newest rules 😉
Techie Girl
13 years ago
Also, Windows 7 interface makes it seamless, meaning once configured, the network SSID will show up so you know what you’re connecting to, but it won’t show to outsiders ;).
Microsoft says this:
“If you select this option (i.e. Connect even if the network is not broadcasting), your computer’s privacy might be at risk. Having no hidden networks configured prevents your computer from broadcasting its location, and this improves your computer’s security.”
A configured hidden network is a one with the above option checked. If this option is not checked, the hidden network is not configured and you have to enter the SSID and passphrase every time you want to connect.
Anyway, what does microsoft mean by “your computer broadcasts its location”?
I also have this question:
If someone spoofed my SSID, can he spoof the passpharase as well???
John Wills
13 years ago
Hiding your SSID does nothing for security because the router is actually broadcasting the name of the network (SSID) the client is looking for in clear text. Not the key, but the name of the network.
Use the strongest encryption available for your router (please no WEP), use an equally strong password for the key, for example:
1qaz@WSX3edc$RFV (look at the keys, it is easy to remember)
and an equally strong password for the router password.
The rest is somewhat useless and inhibits performance. You will stop “casual drive-bys” and the noisy next door with my steps.
CORRECT ! Once the attacker spoofs the SSID, it can run a special software that will gladly “accept” your strong password and let your computer connect. After that, as mentioned before in the thread, for performance reasons, most of the data is transmitted in the clear (by most of the people, most of the time anyway- even if some of us know better), and the attack router can copy it at its leisure.
Techie Girl
13 years ago
@Anonymous,
You prolly have had this fixed for some time now, but just for inquiring minds, the “Manually connect” in Windows 7 does not appear until you enter open the “network and sharing center,” select ” set up a new connection” – then you will get a list of options with his as a choice.
@ John Willis, you are obviously just bent..you need to pick up and honest to goodness text book and stop basing your opinions on internet gab- there is no point in arguing about it. There IS a lot more encryption going on there than you think- (with exception, I do admit, to WEP). Hiding your SSID works in COMBINATION with encryption.. and it helps to hide your SSID from people who have no clue what they are doing and download instructions on the internet on how to break into networks with open SSID- which in my opinion is twice as threatning as someone who does know what they are doing because at least that is logical (compared to a wreckless idiot) . No network is 100% secure, I don’t care who it belongs to or what they’ve done to it.
If your broadcast your signal and your neighbors know it is there just by looking into their devices, then you’ve lost the battle- they may go in search of something to break your network just because they know it is available- you can prevent this by doing what? Hiding SSID.. that is the point no one said anything abou it being okay to just go bare with no encryption… that’s not cool either.
Techie Girl
13 years ago
@ John Willis,
Connection problems were a very limited equipment problem when standards on many wireless routers used today were still fairly new, that’s not so much an issue for people newly trying to set up their networks.
People should know this is not the ONLY security they need to use, virus checkers, firewalls, proxy servers, MAC filters, Malicious software detection, up-to-date encryption protocol, all of that stuff is ona much greater level than a flimsy hidden SSID, but just because you completed the first 10 steps in securing doesn’t mean you shouldn’t perform the last one also.
Show me something written fresh over the last year by any recognized technical institution that says Hidden SSID’s are worse than broadcasts and then we’ll talk.
Will
13 years ago
I’d like to know why it takes Windows 7 Pro, installed on a MacBook Pro, 4-5 minutes after boot up to connect to my wireless network, even after following all the correct steps for setting up automatic connection to a hidden-SSID network. The network shows up immediately in the list of availables and I can force the connection without issue and without typing in the WPA2 password, so the setup was done correctly. But in order to get the automatic connection, it takes the aforementioned 4-5 minutes of just waiting.
Anonymous
13 years ago
I have my ssid hidden. When I connect and look at the networks I see:
my_network_name 2 3 4 5 6 7 Connected
my_network_name 2 3 4 5 6 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 3 4 5 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 3 4 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 3 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 Security-enabled network
my_network_name Security-enabled network
What don’t I just see one entry, “my_network_name Connected”? What do the 2 3 4 5 6 7 indicate?
Anonymous
13 years ago
I recently had to wipe and reset my computer because my profile logged me out and then no longer was able to function i.e. i couldnt log in. i cleared my computer, reset the whole thing but now i cant connect to my router but my dad can. the router name doesnt show on the list and no matter how many times i manually connect to the right network name with correct security and password, it wont connect. what do i do?
TechieGirl
13 years ago
For the anon. with multiple numbered connections… One possibility I can think of for the reason you have so many connections showing in your list is that perhaps u are manually entering your connection every time you connect. Even with a hidden ssid, your computer will remember your credentials an display them in the ” connections” window; you need only return to the available connections list and connect again when you are dealing with a computer that is already associated with the access point. Other people cannot see your signal the same way you can though, not without some effort anyhow. Subsequent manual entries of the same network name will enter new numbered connections of the same name. My suggestion is delete all of the entries in the network management area, re- connect once to the access point and then next time younwant to connect simply return to your list of “known” networks to be presented with the option to re-connect.
As for not being able to connect to a hidden ssid, for that last post, you might try taking the network out of hiding long enough to make an initial connection and then put the settigs back however you normally have them. Seems that if that does not work there is something that has nothing to do with the idea that the network is hidden.
Hope that helps someone at least!! 🙂
Anonymous
13 years ago
thankyoouuuu!!!!!!!!! grEAttt info!
Djc
13 years ago
This guide simply didn’t work on my Windows 7 premium laptop! Even though the connect if network is hidden box is ticked, no joy. If I enable the broadcast of the SSID in the router config; hey presto connectivity.
>>
I hide the network SSID again & no connectivity AGAIN!!!
Looks like an unresolved 7 bug, I have installed all MS updates but my Windows 7 laptop simply WILL NOT connect to a wireless network with hidden SSID.
A security compromise nice one MS :-/ Windows 7 was NOT my idea!
TechieGirl
13 years ago
Djc :
Windows 7 does let you connect to hidden SSID. You must set up you network before you hide the SSID, and then use the same profile to access it (ensuring that “connect if hidden” is checked as you said). OR you may go to the network and sharing center and manually add the network in the “manage wireless networks” list. You may not, however, hide your SSID and then expect a previously unconfigured computer to see the access point- that is the point of hiding the SSID.
NOT TRUE! Unless I’m missing smth. more obscure: I have set up a wifi network by adding it manually thru “manage wireless networks”, and it does not show in the list of available connection options. It shows up in the “manage wireless ntworks”, but, BUMMER, no “Connect” button to press and exercise the network here. So I’m stuck with “Other Networks”, then enter a pretty long SSID/wpa2 passphrase, as this is the name of the game, right? Way to go Microsoft engineers, wherever you may be. Where do I wish to go today? maybe back in time, to XP SP3 !
Hi, I have the same problem with Windows 7. If I tick the box “connect automatically (…)” and “connect even if the network is not broadcasting (…)”, then the network will appear in the list of wireless networks for which you can connect. But if I untick these boxes (because as many have already mentioned I don’t want to go around having my laptop regularly send requests for this SSID even if it is not in the neighborhood), then the network *does not* appear in the list of the networks, unlike what is mentioned in several places on the internet (that once you have manually configured the network, it should always appear there so that you can attempt to manually connect to it).
My current fix is that each time I want to connect to this network, I go to the properties of this network, tick the boxes about automatically connecting even if not broadcast, let the network connect, and then I untick them… This will work until I disconnect. It is not too bad, but one ‘connect’ button would be much more convenient…
Anybody else has witnessed a different behavior in Windows 7?
TechieGirl
13 years ago
Also, The “manual connect” in Windows 7 is listed under “manage Wireless networks” within the Network and Sharing center, once in the management area, press “add” and the questions begin.
Thanks for the reply.
It’s been a while since I had to broadcast my SSID to all the neighbours but…
I will re-visit this later today & follow the steps you have provided, but I am fairly sure I have already tried everything you mentioned :/
I went through the MS knowledge base on this a few weeks back
& tried just about everything.
I wonder how many updates have been installed since then???? hmmmmm
TechieGirl
13 years ago
I hope the steps are helpful, there are some steps that are very particular when it comes to setting these things up. Check for the simple things first, for example some routers have an option to turn off wireless broadcast period, which can be confused with ” hiding the signal” but instead turns the signal completely off. Some routers also require hard wiring in to a new device until the connection is configured. My only other suggestion would be to check manuals and be specific with any error reports or messages that pop up if you are denied connection.
I have tried all you suggested, ie creating the network & SSID and connecting with the saved profile before hiding the SSID. STILL NO CONNECTION TO HIDDEN NETWORK VIA WINDOWS 7.
The connect even if network is not broadcasting check box is ticked. I Use MAC filtering on my Netgear DG834G but this is not the cause because I have input the laptops Wireless MAC & can connect when the SSID is broadcast!
I have two Xbox 360’s; two PSP’s & DS lites; a Nintendo Wii; two other laptops & two desktops all connecting no problem at all to the hidden SSID but can’t connect with Windows 7!
Only with the name of the Router can I supply you with this quote..
“Windows 7
Windows 7 was touted as an incremental upgrade to Windows Vista; hardware that worked on Vista should have continued working on Windows 7. Unfortunately, that has not always been the case. NETGEAR is working hard to update drivers to be compatible with Windows 7.
Note: There will be no new drivers for products that have reached end of life (i.e., are no longer being manufactured).”
Seems that it is not the Windows 7, but the router manufacturer has discontinued the product and has not (will not) supply you with drivers to support Windows 7.
I Would suggest getting new firmware if you are really confident, but otherwise, at least there is a simple explanation for the complication.
well anything can be hack no matter if u have a hidden network those people i.e people who know their command prompt really well and their command lines can actually connect to a network just using that, but if ur lazy like me not wanting to remember all the command you use something like back track or ubuntu to get into the hidden network.. no matter how strong your password is as long as the perpetrator (hacker) has the patience enough they will get to your network
Dennis
13 years ago
ACER can’t find hidden SSID
Is anyone else having problems with hidden SSID and ACER? My son has a Gateway running Windows 7 and he sees the hidden SSID network with no issues ever. My other son just bought an Acer AS5820T TimelineX, running Windows 7 and he can’t see it until I make it visible.
I’m not sure I understand your problem very well:
The nature of a hidden SSID is for computers and devices NOT to see the wireless network. Therefore the behavior of your ACER computer is correct. It should not see the network just because it is hidden on purpose. Your son’s computer might see the hidden network just because he has connected to it once, so it already knows the details about it.
Anonymous
13 years ago
I have a new laptop running Windows 7 that connects ok if the network name is not hidden, the above tutorials don’t work for me if I hide the ID!
I have several mates who have new laptops for Christmas having the same prob :/ Also after my Toshiba goes into sleep it refuses to reconnect again unless i reboot! How can a brand new operating system from Microsoft be so poor?
Anonymous
13 years ago
I have done your steps but I doesnt work. I have win 7 on my laptop and It cant find the wifi that it could find before. I dont know what to do …any advice????? thanx
TechieGirl
13 years ago
Okay, I just have to ask if everyone that is failing to connect properly is marking the connection as a “home” connection? It is the one thing I notice that might be the reason your computers will not remember the connection.. I dunno, I have had windows 7 and have 2 wireless routers of different brands and haven’t had any issues so far, this is really puzzling to me 🙁
Cricket
13 years ago
Thanks for the simple instructions. Since I converted to Windows 7, I have lots of little questions about all the things I used to know how to do in the Windows XP environment.
Hi Angie. I’m not sure I understand what you want to say. We don’t save your e-mail unless:
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Ciprian
DFreeNYC
12 years ago
Thanks to Ciprian Adrian Rusen for this well-written, and easily understandable article.
What appears clear to me from following this thread is that there is a legitimate issue for some configurations of a procedure that SHOULD work.
Let me detail my troubleshooting steps so far:
Step #1 – Define Problem.
In my case, despite being configured properly, a Dell N5110 laptop configured to a non-broadcasting SSID in my house has little or no connectivity to the internet.
Step #2 – Assign Blame.
I accept full and complete blame. Hopefully everyone can now move on from the “non-published SSID bashing” that in my opinion is extraneous dribble and not relevant to the actual problem. THANKS!
Step #3 – Drill problem down to the lowest common denominator.
In this case I can confirm that the problem is NOT:
– Windows 7 Home Premium (have successfully connected on other machines using W7HP Product ID: 00359-OEM-8992687-00095),
– my wireless network hardware or software (see above and add many W2k, WXP machines to those that can connect as well as various Mac products, XBOX360, WII, BlackBerry/Nokia/Samsung, etc.),
– IP Configuration, since the laptop is able to acquire a valid IP address.
I am investigating that the problem is possibly the currently installed version of IE8 vs. W7, since the working W7HP computer is using version 9.0.8112.16421…
rboy504
12 years ago
Great tutorial it work just fine for me. Thank you!!!
Cat
10 years ago
Thanks for good article.
Drake
10 years ago
what about connecting to a xbox 360 slim
tiju
9 years ago
How can I be hidden in a wifi acess that’s what I wana knw
I’ve recently upgraded from windows 7 to windows 10 and the network i used to use shows up in my known networks, however not in the list of networks I can connect to. I’ve followed all of the steps and says it’s been successfully added. However it’s still not available.
Paul Simon
8 years ago
Great Post, but the real question is why are wireless connections so buggy. I get to reboot my computer and router all the time to get things working again. Given the choice I’ll always user Wired.
herry
5 years ago
first, you have to go on wi-fi setting then go to hidden network button after that then go to the new connection option, then enter the password and click connect button. i have checked it on Skype for business tech support
roserobin
5 years ago
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harrytonny
4 years ago
Most of the beginners face such kind of similar issues in a Windows 7 based systems to find these hidden wireless network on their platform. To sort out all these troubles should take advice from Mac Outlook Search Not Working so that it would be more beneficial for them surely.
Who hides a wireless network? That practice does nothing for security. Use VERY strong passwords for the router password and encryption and that is all you need, providing you use nothing less than WPA.
I’ve seen people who do this:
1. they have a hidden wireless network so that most people won’t be able to see it on their devices. if they don’t know it is there, they will not connect to it.
2. they have also strong encryption so that people trying to hack the network have a harder time at doing that.
If you think about it can make sense to have a hidden wireless.
welll for example you would hide it from whoever is looking for free internet smart one
Its only smart o hide your network as it increades security drastically, and can stop most malicious attacks from occuring
Uhm, actually its a widely used practice to deter basic hacking… you need a scanner to find it…. its just an additional layer. Also, complex passwords are still easily cracked with Kali Linux… better to use MAC address filtering…. you should do some reading dude…
I hide my wireless network using this method and also have a strong password for the exact reason listed above. My question is why wouldn’t you want hide it?
most hackers like you hide their details while you abuse others
This method is only required for Windows XP. In Vista and Windows 7, hidden wireless networks show up in the list irrespective of whether the SSID is hidden or not. Just click Connect and then enter the SSID and encryption key and you can connect right away. Once connected, you only go to Properties and modify the settings.
I’m sorry but this is not true. The networks do not show up in the list if their SSID is not broadcasted.
I’ve tried this with two hidden networks: one at work and one at home and they never show up.
Oh I beg to differ, in windows 7 I have 2 different wireless connections that show up as OTHER networks and if I had the ssid and password I could connect to them and could with little effort if I wanted to.
My point is that YES they do show up even if hidden from public!
It’ll show once I connect. However, it doesn’t show up if I’m not connected or manually connecting to my network.
but first you need the SSID.. which you do not get because it is not broadcast.
NO, you’re confused: SSID does not show; what you give is an example of connecting to a hidden network, but the network does not show in the list of available connections. The problem (mine anyway) on Win7 is that I cannot have the manually set wifi profile for the hidden network to show up in that list either.
Hide wireless key permanently…
I have a need to setup machines so that the user can’t unhide the wireless key after I’ve entered it. How do I do this? I know it’s possible in previous versions of Windows but can’t find any info on how to do this in Win7.
Did you look through the group policy editor? That’d be worth a look if you haven’t yet.
Why would you not want to hide the SSID? Hiding the network , repeat, does nothing for security and can cause connectivity issues. If you put a strong password on the device and encryption, and I mean nothing less than 14 characters, and use nothing less than WPA, you are 99.999999999% safe.
I think this is a matter of personal choice. If you hide your SSID you will get rid of all the “noobs” who believe themselves to be hackers. If they don’t see your network they won’t try to hack it.
However, true hackers will find ways to identify your wireless network even if you hide it. If you are a “control-freak” you will hide your SSID and use strong encryption and passwords.
Everyone can choose his/her own approach.
yeah you are rigth but speciali when you have it at home and every budy eles knows that you have wifi you could be at risk of a thef cause means that you have some kind of laptop or mobile divice
It may actually be LESS secure to hide your SSID. The reason is that when your SSID is hidden, your laptop will actually send out a query to see if that network is available when it is booted up. If you were to take that laptop to a public place, it would send this query out to anyone willing to listen. It would take little for someone to then spoof your SSID and let your laptop connect to theirs. You would then be allowing direct access into your laptop and you might not even notice.
So lets take a paranoid senario. Lets say someone is sitting in a car outside my house trying to get on my network and I have the SSID hidden. All they have to do is wait until I log on and then they can attempt to get onto my network? And the only real security on networks is having strong passphrases?
Correct, your only defense would be to use encrypted networks, something a-la Blackberry phones ideas. Then you just broadcast BS, as far as the eavesdropper hears, but that BS bends 3x over backwards and re-becames data using SSH keys. But governments work hard to put an end to this crazy ideea that privacy is a human right.
Which brings back my experience and the implementation FLAWS in the wifi apps on Win7 and the most recent Ubuntu. If (and I am) you are a control freak, you should NOT check “connect automatically”. In former ubuntu linux, I could set a wifi profile, with the SSID and strong password, which would be authenticated by my personal SSH keys, on my laptop, and be able to connect/disconnect manually just clicking a button when I selected that profile. THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE ! Lately, (ubuntu 11.04, Win7) they dumbed this down for “your convenience”.
i have a problem,
i can’t connect to my wireless network even it showed my SSID,
i typed the correct password but it says incorrect….
although my other computer still can connect to it with that password …
PLS help me
Change the channel that your wireless is broadcasting on. – not sure if first reply went through so doing it again.
It used to — *used to* — seem obvious that hiding the connection SSID would essentially put the router and available SSID into ‘stealth’ mode, so that only those with the hidden SSID and security code would even know about it, let alone be able to connect to it.
The router manufacturers all pushed this idea as an additional level of security, by making the SSID hidden and secret for the users.
Microsoft all along contested the practice as a very bad idea for security. Why? Because that one hidden SSID, which could be serving hundreds of different users, did nothing for the hundreds of users who themselves are broadcasting their handshake signals TO the router to connect to the hidden SSID. Would you rather protect one known, seen, source like the router SSID? Or would you rather leave unprotected ALL the unseen users sending out “seeking to connect” signals to the seen (and secured) broadcast SSID?
Microsoft felt it was safer to secure one SEEN broadcast SSID than to risk the exposure of all potential users trying to connect to a hidden SSID when the users are sending out “seeking to connect” signals that are as easily trapped and invaded. Even when the router SSID is hidden, the laptops are still sending “seeking to connect” signals everwhere around it, whether hidden or not, when they are seeking networks. The router’s SSID may be hidden, but it isn’t any more hidden than your laptop’s SSID is in seeking out networks.
In addition: If someone were trying to get into a system, would you rather someone try to secretly connect to a secured SSID access point? Or directly to your laptop while it’s broadcasting its availability to everyone around you?
Interesting, however you said regardless of the SSID status the laptop is still sending out a trying to connect signal. So I really don’t understand why making the SSID seen protects the clients handshake.
“Even when the router SSID is hidden, the laptops are still sending “seeking to connect” signals everwhere around it, whether hidden or not, when they are seeking networks. The router’s SSID may be hidden, but it isn’t any more hidden than your laptop’s SSID is in seeking out networks.”
I understand this as my pc is sending out a seeking to connect signal whether SSID is hidden or not.
Also making a router visible and secured still does not convince me that an attacker can’t spoof the SSID and trick my pc into connecting to the spoofed router.
I suppose I’m questioning the rationale that Making a Router Visible somehow hides the nodes connecting to it, if as you say the handshake is broadcast regardless. It sounds as though the nodes connecting to it have the same vulnerability, and whats more the target SSID is readily available to the attacker for spoofing.
In order for a client to detect a hidden SSID network, it must broadcast the SSID as a query, everywhere it attempts a network connect, including all public locations the client is used.
If the SSID is not hidden, the client passively listens for the SSID, and in a public location doesn’t hear it, and never starts the handshake.
So, hide your SSID at your location where clients are constantly broadcasting it versus hide your SSID at every public location your clients are used – which do you prefer?
I do not see the problem here: if I am able to set up my laptop to connect only to my router (‘s MAC address) in the wifi profile I use, winblows can braodcast all it wants, as long as the hacker doesn’t forge that MAC address and impersonates my router. Bigger problem is MS and other companies limiting options and playing GOD: “we know what’s best for you, just stop thinking !”
I have just bought a Acer 3810TZ (running Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit) which has a peculiar problem when the SSID is hidden it cannot connect to my network but when the SSID is NOT hidden it connects peacefully. I use WPA2 Personal+AES. This has worked well for the last 2.5 yrs with my HP laptop (running Vista Home Basic). I use a Linksys WRT54G router. Acer India is trying to fob off use of WPA & TKIP instead of what I want to use. Any advice?
I also have an ACER AS5820T TimelineX and it is exhibiting the same issue. If I unhide the SSID it works fine. Hidden it can’t find it.
First thing I would check is to make sure that Windows is handling the connection and not some third party utility and then check the driver status.
This was very helpful. I had trouble as my customer has a setup with unlisted wifi connection. I was able to connect in Vista but did not realize this option in Windows 7. Appreciate you giving such detailed information on this subject.
I hide my network too, the only reason is : for the neighbours.
A hidden network is hidden when no clients connected.
A hidden network becomes visible for monitoring as soon a client connects.
Client-AP traffic always makes networks visible to hackers.
These instructions were clear and I followed them completely.
There is one instruction that is not here. After much frustration and repeated attempts I still had no connection. After shutting down the computer and restarting it later – everything was fine and working properly. Is this normal? Shouldn’t the instructions state that a reboot of the computer is necessary for the changes to be effective?
A reboot is not normally required. I’m glad it helped in your case though.
For all those who are still using this walkthrough, please keep in mind that much of the information is dated, such as WPA2 being for enterprise only. Many wireless home networks now fully support WPA-2 AES and should use it as it provides stronger encryption.
Having Your SSID hidden is a great tool because, despite what other people on this page have said, the network SSID will not be shown to anyone who has not manually entered your SSID into their system. Your router/modem software should allow you to manually change the name of your SSID so that no one can randomly guess at it using standard default names. Once hidden, your unique SSID will serve as an additional password to the system because, as I said before, without the SSID no one can configure your network on their computer.
No network is guaranteed secure, but hidden SSID with strong WPA2 password is a great way to go. Get familiar with your router/modem software by visiting the address (if your don’t know where to go, contact your provider or the manufacturer of your router- they can direct you to your modem/router’s web site).
Please dismiss any comments about hidden SSID doing no good- they will show up in the list of Windows 7 users as “Other Network” or look like a blank space, but will still require the user enter the SSID before proceeding.
I am replying in support of the following:
“Please dismiss any comments about hidden SSID doing no good- they will show up in the list of Windows 7 users as “Other Network” or look like a blank space, but will still require the user enter the SSID before proceeding.”
You’re absolutely right. I recently had to laugh at someone on a forum suggesting that the reason you should leave broadcasting on is because Linux networking daemons have a problem with non broadcasting SSIDs. I don’t use Linux, so I am not making it easier for anyone to hack me. The people suggesting you broadcast are Linux foamies I think. I have no problems using a hidden SSID wireless network on Widnows 7 myself. It’s not hard at all. Windows 7 does a great job fixing the connection whenever that is needed, which is rarely.
Thanks Angie! I do think it is sad that people argue against hidden ssid due to a stupid setting (auto connect) that can be disabled and prevent unwanted polling for your router when you are not near it. People also need to keep in mind that encryption disguises other credentials needed to actually hack the network so using encryption with hidden ssid cannot actually be worse than showing your ssid with encryption methods displayed plainly to everyone in the neighborhood! It is funny that Microsoft has a problem with it because it is their “convenient” auto connect setting that is killin the whole security idea and keeping those wireless devices doing useless and unsecured work. Nothing against Microsoft, everyone has to make money somehow, right? My money comes from people like the above protestor who are obviously a little behind on the newest rules 😉
Also, Windows 7 interface makes it seamless, meaning once configured, the network SSID will show up so you know what you’re connecting to, but it won’t show to outsiders ;).
Microsoft says this:
“If you select this option (i.e. Connect even if the network is not broadcasting), your computer’s privacy might be at risk. Having no hidden networks configured prevents your computer from broadcasting its location, and this improves your computer’s security.”
A configured hidden network is a one with the above option checked. If this option is not checked, the hidden network is not configured and you have to enter the SSID and passphrase every time you want to connect.
Anyway, what does microsoft mean by “your computer broadcasts its location”?
I also have this question:
If someone spoofed my SSID, can he spoof the passpharase as well???
Hiding your SSID does nothing for security because the router is actually broadcasting the name of the network (SSID) the client is looking for in clear text. Not the key, but the name of the network.
Use the strongest encryption available for your router (please no WEP), use an equally strong password for the key, for example:
1qaz@WSX3edc$RFV (look at the keys, it is easy to remember)
and an equally strong password for the router password.
The rest is somewhat useless and inhibits performance. You will stop “casual drive-bys” and the noisy next door with my steps.
CORRECT ! Once the attacker spoofs the SSID, it can run a special software that will gladly “accept” your strong password and let your computer connect. After that, as mentioned before in the thread, for performance reasons, most of the data is transmitted in the clear (by most of the people, most of the time anyway- even if some of us know better), and the attack router can copy it at its leisure.
@Anonymous,
You prolly have had this fixed for some time now, but just for inquiring minds, the “Manually connect” in Windows 7 does not appear until you enter open the “network and sharing center,” select ” set up a new connection” – then you will get a list of options with his as a choice.
@ John Willis, you are obviously just bent..you need to pick up and honest to goodness text book and stop basing your opinions on internet gab- there is no point in arguing about it. There IS a lot more encryption going on there than you think- (with exception, I do admit, to WEP). Hiding your SSID works in COMBINATION with encryption.. and it helps to hide your SSID from people who have no clue what they are doing and download instructions on the internet on how to break into networks with open SSID- which in my opinion is twice as threatning as someone who does know what they are doing because at least that is logical (compared to a wreckless idiot) . No network is 100% secure, I don’t care who it belongs to or what they’ve done to it.
If your broadcast your signal and your neighbors know it is there just by looking into their devices, then you’ve lost the battle- they may go in search of something to break your network just because they know it is available- you can prevent this by doing what? Hiding SSID.. that is the point no one said anything abou it being okay to just go bare with no encryption… that’s not cool either.
@ John Willis,
Connection problems were a very limited equipment problem when standards on many wireless routers used today were still fairly new, that’s not so much an issue for people newly trying to set up their networks.
People should know this is not the ONLY security they need to use, virus checkers, firewalls, proxy servers, MAC filters, Malicious software detection, up-to-date encryption protocol, all of that stuff is ona much greater level than a flimsy hidden SSID, but just because you completed the first 10 steps in securing doesn’t mean you shouldn’t perform the last one also.
Show me something written fresh over the last year by any recognized technical institution that says Hidden SSID’s are worse than broadcasts and then we’ll talk.
I’d like to know why it takes Windows 7 Pro, installed on a MacBook Pro, 4-5 minutes after boot up to connect to my wireless network, even after following all the correct steps for setting up automatic connection to a hidden-SSID network. The network shows up immediately in the list of availables and I can force the connection without issue and without typing in the WPA2 password, so the setup was done correctly. But in order to get the automatic connection, it takes the aforementioned 4-5 minutes of just waiting.
I have my ssid hidden. When I connect and look at the networks I see:
my_network_name 2 3 4 5 6 7 Connected
my_network_name 2 3 4 5 6 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 3 4 5 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 3 4 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 3 Security-enabled network
my_network_name 2 Security-enabled network
my_network_name Security-enabled network
What don’t I just see one entry, “my_network_name Connected”? What do the 2 3 4 5 6 7 indicate?
I recently had to wipe and reset my computer because my profile logged me out and then no longer was able to function i.e. i couldnt log in. i cleared my computer, reset the whole thing but now i cant connect to my router but my dad can. the router name doesnt show on the list and no matter how many times i manually connect to the right network name with correct security and password, it wont connect. what do i do?
For the anon. with multiple numbered connections… One possibility I can think of for the reason you have so many connections showing in your list is that perhaps u are manually entering your connection every time you connect. Even with a hidden ssid, your computer will remember your credentials an display them in the ” connections” window; you need only return to the available connections list and connect again when you are dealing with a computer that is already associated with the access point. Other people cannot see your signal the same way you can though, not without some effort anyhow. Subsequent manual entries of the same network name will enter new numbered connections of the same name. My suggestion is delete all of the entries in the network management area, re- connect once to the access point and then next time younwant to connect simply return to your list of “known” networks to be presented with the option to re-connect.
As for not being able to connect to a hidden ssid, for that last post, you might try taking the network out of hiding long enough to make an initial connection and then put the settigs back however you normally have them. Seems that if that does not work there is something that has nothing to do with the idea that the network is hidden.
Hope that helps someone at least!! 🙂
thankyoouuuu!!!!!!!!! grEAttt info!
This guide simply didn’t work on my Windows 7 premium laptop! Even though the connect if network is hidden box is ticked, no joy. If I enable the broadcast of the SSID in the router config; hey presto connectivity.
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I hide the network SSID again & no connectivity AGAIN!!!
Looks like an unresolved 7 bug, I have installed all MS updates but my Windows 7 laptop simply WILL NOT connect to a wireless network with hidden SSID.
A security compromise nice one MS :-/ Windows 7 was NOT my idea!
Djc :
Windows 7 does let you connect to hidden SSID. You must set up you network before you hide the SSID, and then use the same profile to access it (ensuring that “connect if hidden” is checked as you said). OR you may go to the network and sharing center and manually add the network in the “manage wireless networks” list. You may not, however, hide your SSID and then expect a previously unconfigured computer to see the access point- that is the point of hiding the SSID.
NOT TRUE! Unless I’m missing smth. more obscure: I have set up a wifi network by adding it manually thru “manage wireless networks”, and it does not show in the list of available connection options. It shows up in the “manage wireless ntworks”, but, BUMMER, no “Connect” button to press and exercise the network here. So I’m stuck with “Other Networks”, then enter a pretty long SSID/wpa2 passphrase, as this is the name of the game, right? Way to go Microsoft engineers, wherever you may be. Where do I wish to go today? maybe back in time, to XP SP3 !
Hi, I have the same problem with Windows 7. If I tick the box “connect automatically (…)” and “connect even if the network is not broadcasting (…)”, then the network will appear in the list of wireless networks for which you can connect. But if I untick these boxes (because as many have already mentioned I don’t want to go around having my laptop regularly send requests for this SSID even if it is not in the neighborhood), then the network *does not* appear in the list of the networks, unlike what is mentioned in several places on the internet (that once you have manually configured the network, it should always appear there so that you can attempt to manually connect to it).
My current fix is that each time I want to connect to this network, I go to the properties of this network, tick the boxes about automatically connecting even if not broadcast, let the network connect, and then I untick them… This will work until I disconnect. It is not too bad, but one ‘connect’ button would be much more convenient…
Anybody else has witnessed a different behavior in Windows 7?
Also, The “manual connect” in Windows 7 is listed under “manage Wireless networks” within the Network and Sharing center, once in the management area, press “add” and the questions begin.
Hi Techie Girl,
Thanks for the reply.
It’s been a while since I had to broadcast my SSID to all the neighbours but…
I will re-visit this later today & follow the steps you have provided, but I am fairly sure I have already tried everything you mentioned :/
I went through the MS knowledge base on this a few weeks back
& tried just about everything.
I wonder how many updates have been installed since then???? hmmmmm
I hope the steps are helpful, there are some steps that are very particular when it comes to setting these things up. Check for the simple things first, for example some routers have an option to turn off wireless broadcast period, which can be confused with ” hiding the signal” but instead turns the signal completely off. Some routers also require hard wiring in to a new device until the connection is configured. My only other suggestion would be to check manuals and be specific with any error reports or messages that pop up if you are denied connection.
Best of luck!
Dear TechieGirl
I have tried all you suggested, ie creating the network & SSID and connecting with the saved profile before hiding the SSID. STILL NO CONNECTION TO HIDDEN NETWORK VIA WINDOWS 7.
The connect even if network is not broadcasting check box is ticked. I Use MAC filtering on my Netgear DG834G but this is not the cause because I have input the laptops Wireless MAC & can connect when the SSID is broadcast!
I have two Xbox 360’s; two PSP’s & DS lites; a Nintendo Wii; two other laptops & two desktops all connecting no problem at all to the hidden SSID but can’t connect with Windows 7!
Anon.,
Only with the name of the Router can I supply you with this quote..
“Windows 7
Windows 7 was touted as an incremental upgrade to Windows Vista; hardware that worked on Vista should have continued working on Windows 7. Unfortunately, that has not always been the case. NETGEAR is working hard to update drivers to be compatible with Windows 7.
Note: There will be no new drivers for products that have reached end of life (i.e., are no longer being manufactured).”
Seems that it is not the Windows 7, but the router manufacturer has discontinued the product and has not (will not) supply you with drivers to support Windows 7.
I Would suggest getting new firmware if you are really confident, but otherwise, at least there is a simple explanation for the complication.
Resources:
http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12869
well anything can be hack no matter if u have a hidden network those people i.e people who know their command prompt really well and their command lines can actually connect to a network just using that, but if ur lazy like me not wanting to remember all the command you use something like back track or ubuntu to get into the hidden network.. no matter how strong your password is as long as the perpetrator (hacker) has the patience enough they will get to your network
ACER can’t find hidden SSID
Is anyone else having problems with hidden SSID and ACER? My son has a Gateway running Windows 7 and he sees the hidden SSID network with no issues ever. My other son just bought an Acer AS5820T TimelineX, running Windows 7 and he can’t see it until I make it visible.
Thoughts?
I’m not sure I understand your problem very well:
The nature of a hidden SSID is for computers and devices NOT to see the wireless network. Therefore the behavior of your ACER computer is correct. It should not see the network just because it is hidden on purpose. Your son’s computer might see the hidden network just because he has connected to it once, so it already knows the details about it.
I have a new laptop running Windows 7 that connects ok if the network name is not hidden, the above tutorials don’t work for me if I hide the ID!
I have several mates who have new laptops for Christmas having the same prob :/ Also after my Toshiba goes into sleep it refuses to reconnect again unless i reboot! How can a brand new operating system from Microsoft be so poor?
I have done your steps but I doesnt work. I have win 7 on my laptop and It cant find the wifi that it could find before. I dont know what to do …any advice????? thanx
Okay, I just have to ask if everyone that is failing to connect properly is marking the connection as a “home” connection? It is the one thing I notice that might be the reason your computers will not remember the connection.. I dunno, I have had windows 7 and have 2 wireless routers of different brands and haven’t had any issues so far, this is really puzzling to me 🙁
Thanks for the simple instructions. Since I converted to Windows 7, I have lots of little questions about all the things I used to know how to do in the Windows XP environment.
You are welcome. Glad we could help.
after windows 7 auto updated, it no longer connects properly to router (hidden broadcast)
only connects if I reset the router now.
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Thanks to Ciprian Adrian Rusen for this well-written, and easily understandable article.
What appears clear to me from following this thread is that there is a legitimate issue for some configurations of a procedure that SHOULD work.
Let me detail my troubleshooting steps so far:
Step #1 – Define Problem.
In my case, despite being configured properly, a Dell N5110 laptop configured to a non-broadcasting SSID in my house has little or no connectivity to the internet.
Step #2 – Assign Blame.
I accept full and complete blame. Hopefully everyone can now move on from the “non-published SSID bashing” that in my opinion is extraneous dribble and not relevant to the actual problem. THANKS!
Step #3 – Drill problem down to the lowest common denominator.
In this case I can confirm that the problem is NOT:
– Windows 7 Home Premium (have successfully connected on other machines using W7HP Product ID: 00359-OEM-8992687-00095),
– my wireless network hardware or software (see above and add many W2k, WXP machines to those that can connect as well as various Mac products, XBOX360, WII, BlackBerry/Nokia/Samsung, etc.),
– IP Configuration, since the laptop is able to acquire a valid IP address.
I am investigating that the problem is possibly the currently installed version of IE8 vs. W7, since the working W7HP computer is using version 9.0.8112.16421…
Great tutorial it work just fine for me. Thank you!!!
Thanks for good article.
what about connecting to a xbox 360 slim
How can I be hidden in a wifi acess that’s what I wana knw
I do not understand your question.
I’ve recently upgraded from windows 7 to windows 10 and the network i used to use shows up in my known networks, however not in the list of networks I can connect to. I’ve followed all of the steps and says it’s been successfully added. However it’s still not available.
Great Post, but the real question is why are wireless connections so buggy. I get to reboot my computer and router all the time to get things working again. Given the choice I’ll always user Wired.
first, you have to go on wi-fi setting then go to hidden network button after that then go to the new connection option, then enter the password and click connect button. i have checked it on Skype for business tech support
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